Does anyone remember when going on Dick Cavett or Charlie Rose meant you “made it”

Does anyone remember when going on Dick Cavett or Charlie Rose meant you “made it” The other day I was trying to explain that when a person went on Dick Cavett or Charlie Rose, that meant they “made it” and were respected by the establishment. Both shows were known for having long in depth conversations with scientists, politicians, musicians, authors, professors, lawyers, entertainers, and others. Maybe I’m just old haha
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